i think what you want to do -- >> who do you mean like john boehner? >> i think you would acknowledge that the private sector has to do it but you would say that the government has a very important role in doing something to help the private sector. >> exactly. >> whereas other people would say that it's the government itself that is actually hurting the private sector. >> that's two sides of the coin that we're on right now. >> so here's this weird argument i've heard in the last few days sounds a little bit like where you're going which is that, you know, if you see in the fourth quarter gdp that contraction in government spending led to slower growth, and somehow people are out there saying and that shows you have to meet to cut government spending more in the near term. i think that's exactly backwards. i actually think that there is a role right now, not a big one, but there is a role for some more stimulus and more jobs measures to help start nudging that unemployment rate -- >> besides the trillion that we spend we don't take in besides that tri